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2005/5/25 ¤W¤È 11:30:03

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2005/5/25 ¤W¤È 11:33:13

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239. Ex tractatu de Christo legato divino concluditur necessitas pro salute Christo adhaerendi; ex tractatu de Ecclesia Christi constat Ecclesiam catholicam solam praedicare doctrinam ipsius Christi. Hinc logice deducitur: Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus.

240. Ad rectam huius conclusionis intelligentiam notatur: 1) quid sit necessarium necessitate medii, vel necessitate praecepti; 2) quid sit corpus et anima Ecclesiae. - Posteriori quaesito respondemus. Corpus in Ecclesia est collectio visibilis eorum qui unam societatem christianum efformant sub regimine episcoporum Romanique Pontificis; anima vero consistit in interioribus habitualis gratiae sive supernaturalis vitae donis; ad hanc animam pertinent omnes iusti viatores. - Aliquis pertinere potest ad Ecclesiae corpus sive in re per baptismum; sive in voto, i.e., desiderio communionem Ecclesiae catholicae amplectendi ...

241. 1) Qui culpabiliter extra corpus Ecclesiae usque ad finem vitae manet salvus fieri nequit; culpabilis est autem qui , cum serio dubuitat, non quaerit veritatem, et a fortiori qui sciens et volens Ecclesiam non ingreditur quam ut veram agnoscit...

242. 2) Qui inculpabiliter extra corpus Ecclesiae manet, salvus esse potest, dummodo per fidem et caritatem, vel contritionem perfectam, ad animam Ecclesiae pertineat...

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2005/5/25 ¤W¤È 11:40:41

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2005/5/25 ¤U¤È 12:43:03

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2005/5/25 ¤U¤È 12:47:55

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2005/5/25 ¤U¤È 01:39:10

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2005/5/25 ¤U¤È 02:13:52

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2005/5/26 ¤W¤È 07:26:00

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2005/5/26 ¤W¤È 07:29:03

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But at the same time Catholics are bound to profess that through the gift of God's mercy they belong to that Church which Christ founded and which is governed by the successors of Peter and the other Apostles, who are the depositories of the original Apostolic tradition, living and intact, which is the permanent heritage of doctrine and holiness of that same Church.

The followers of Christ are therefore not permitted to imagine that Christ's Church is nothing more than a collection (divided, but still possessing a certain unity) of Churches and ecclesial communities. Nor are they free to hold that Christ's Church nowhere really exists today and that it is to be considered only as an end which all Churches and ecclesial communities must strive to reach.


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2005/5/26 ¤W¤È 11:57:04

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