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2006/5/15 ¤U¤È 06:14:56



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2006/5/16 ¤U¤È 10:45:30

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2006/5/22 ¤U¤È 05:24:32

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·s¬ù¸t¸g¡m§Ì­Z¼w«á®Ñ¡n¤W¦³¥H¤U°O¸ü :
2 Timothy 3:14-17 But you, remain faithful to what you have learned and believed, because you know from whom you learned it, and that from infancy you have known (the) sacred scriptures, which are capable of giving you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
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kp ­Ó¤H©Ò¬Ý, ³o¬q¸t¸g´£¥X¤F´X­Ó­nÂIµ¹§Ú­Ì«ä¦Ò, ¦Ó­º­nªº¬O§Ú­Ì "©Ò¾Ç©M©Ò«Hªº¨Æ.....¬O¥Ñ½Ö¾Ç¨Óªº"? ( what you have learned and believed.......from whom you learned it? )
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¦Ó³o»P§Ú­Ì°Q½×ªº"¨ì©³¨º­Ó±Ð·|¤~¥i¥H¥¿½TµL»~¸ÑŪ¸t¸g" ¤S¦³¦óÃö«Y©O?
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§Ú­Ì¤Ñ¥D±Ð¬JµM¬O­C¿q¿Ë¦Û±Ð±Â, ¥ç¬O¥Ñ©v®{©Ò¿Ë¦Û¶Ç¤U¨Ó, ©Ò¥H§Ú­Ì¬Û«H¤Ñ¥D·|¦¨¥þ§Ú­Ì±Ð·|¦p¦ó¤F¸Ñ¤Ñ¥DÀq·P©Ò¼gªº¸t¸g, Àò±o±o±Ïªº´¼¼z.

§ó­«­nªº, ¬O¤µ¤Ñ§Ú­Ì©Ò¥Îªº¸t¸g, ¨ä¹ê¤]¬O¥Ñ¤Ñ¥D±Ð±Ð·|©Ò½s¦¨ªº.
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¦­´Á±Ð·|¤@¦ì­«­n¾ÇªÌ St. Augustine «K´¿»¡¹L¦pªG¤£¬O¤Ñ¥D±ÐªºÅv«Â, ¸t¸g®Ú¥»«K¤£¯à¦¨¥ß:
¡¥I would not believe in the Gospels were it not for the authority of the Catholic Church¡¦ (Against the Letter of Mani Called "The Foundation" 5:6).

edward


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2006/5/22 ¤U¤È 06:19:14

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How To Read Scripture Like Jesus And The Apostles

edward


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2006/5/22 ¤U¤È 06:33:21

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hen


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2006/5/23 ¤W¤È 08:45:02

thanks so much for these reply, very meaningful.

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2006/5/23 ¤U¤È 03:42:55

¬O§_¥Ñ ¦èº¡§B¦h¸S( Simon Peter ) ¶Ç¤U¨Ó¬O¤@­Ó§PÂ_±Ð·|¬O§_ÄÝ©ó­C¿q°ò·þªº­«­n­ì¯À, ·s¬ù¸t¸g¦³¥H¤U°O¸ü :

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Matthew 16:16-19
He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter said in reply, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

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·s¬ù¸t¸g¡m§Ì­Z¼w«á®Ñ¡n2:1-3
©Ò¥H¡A§Ú¨à¡I§AÀ³¦]¨º¦b°ò·þ­C¿q¤ºªº®¦Ãd°í±j°_¨Ó¡A À³§â§A¦b³\¦hÃÒ¤H«e¥Ñ§Ú©ÒÅ¥ªº¡A¶Ç±Âµ¹©¾«H¥i¾aªº¤H¡A¨Ï¥L­Ì¤]¯à°÷±Ð¾É§O¤H¡C À³¦p¦P°ò·þ­C¿qªººë§L¡A»P§Ú¦@¨ü³Ò­W¡C
2 Timothy 2:1-3
So you, my child, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And what you heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will have the ability to teach others as well.
Bear your share of hardship along with me like a good soldier of Christ Jesus.

²³æ¤Æ¨Ó»¡, ´N¹³ªZ«L¤p»¡¤@­Óªù¬£¶Ç±Â¥¿统µ´¥@ªZ¥\, ¦pªG¤£¬O¥¿¥¿¦¡¦¡«ô®v, ¸ò¥¿统®v¤÷¾Ç¥¿统ªZ¥\, ¾Ç¥X¨ÓªºÁ`·|©M­ì¥»ªº¥¿¹D¤£¤j¬Û¦P.
¦Ó¥B½Ð¤£­n§Ñ°O°ò·þ±Ð(protestant christianity)¥u¬O¦b¤Q¤C¥@¬ö¤~±q¤Ñ¥D±Ð¤Àµõ¥X¥hªº, ¤§«eªº¤@¤d¤»¦Ê¦h¦~, ®Ú¥»¤£¦s¦bÃhºÃ§B¦h¸S¬O§_±Ð·|»â¾É¤Hªº°ÝÃD.

St. Augustine ¦³¤@¦W¥y¥i¥H©M§A¤À¨É:

"There are many other things which most properly can keep me in the Catholic Church's bosom. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. Her authority, inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here. The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15¡V17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called ¡¥Catholic,¡¦ when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house" (Against the Letter of Mani Called "The Foundation" 4:5 [A.D. 397]).

edward


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2006/5/23 ¤U¤È 07:02:11

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2006/5/23 ¤U¤È 10:56:03

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§Ú¤~¤£¬O·s±Ð±Ð¤Í,¥u¬O­Ó Catholic wanna-be.

simon


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2006/5/23 ¤U¤È 11:16:07

hen,

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hen


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2006/5/24 ¤W¤È 12:53:00

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check:
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by the way,¤Ñ¥D±Ð®{­±¹ï±j¤jªº¤Ï¤Ñ"¼é¬y"(ºô¤W¤j³¡¥÷¤£¦P¬£§Oªº·s°ò,³£·R¤W»¡¤W´X¥y¤Ï¤Ñ!!),¬O¤£¬O¤Ó¨IÀq? ¦n¦h·s±Ð±Ð¤Í,¹ï¤Ñ¥D±Ð¹s舎°w¹ï¤°¦Ü¥Rº¡¤³«ë,­ü,¤°»ò¥D¤º§Ì¥S³£¬O¥L­Ì¹ï¦Û¤v¤ÍÁ¿¥í¤ñ¦Û¤vÅ¥ªº,¨ä¹ê¦¨¤é³£«Y¤@°ï°ï¤p°é¤lª±¤³µø.

simon


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2006/5/24 ¤W¤È 10:55:33

simon


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2006/5/24 ¤W¤È 10:55:33

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2006/5/24 ¤U¤È 05:08:30

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"At Rome the first apostles and bishops were Peter and Paul, then Linus, then Cletus, then Clement, the contemporary of Peter and Paul" (Medicine Chest Against All Heresies 27:6 [A.D. 375]).
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John 21:15-17 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep.
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Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus approached and said to them, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age."
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2006/5/24 ¤U¤È 05:09:07

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2006/5/24 ¤U¤È 11:30:02

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thanks a lot

by the way, this page is quite interesting too
http://www.hkbu.edu.hk/~cscsnet/articles/psist1_f.html

simon


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2006/5/25 ¤W¤È 01:00:06

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2006/5/25 ¤U¤È 03:17:54

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2006/5/25 ¤U¤È 04:28:17

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2006/5/25 ¤U¤È 04:44:32

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2006/5/25 ¤U¤È 05:07:14

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