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Posted - 2001/6/11 ¤W¤È 09:44:31
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Posted - 2001/6/11 ¤W¤È 10:39:44
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Posted - 2001/6/11 ¤U¤È 04:26:19
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Posted - 2001/6/11 ¤U¤È 04:38:46
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Posted - 2001/6/11 ¤U¤È 04:54:09
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Posted - 2001/6/11 ¤U¤È 05:11:56
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Posted - 2001/6/11 ¤U¤È 05:28:54
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So the conclusion is that everything is relative in the world of mortals. All members of the Church are mortals too. That is why the Church also see things in relative terms. Is there no absolute that is knowable?
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Cissie
Posted - 2001/6/12 ¤W¤È 09:30:31
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Posted - 2001/6/12 ¤U¤È 10:17:04
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