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luke
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2002/5/5 上午 12:26:53
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「慈母聖教會在淌血, 做子女的能不流淚嗎?」
看見這幾天困擾教會的性醜聞, 那感覺......就是.....痛心.....從來, 教會就是在旅途之中跌跌碰碰. 我們每天否認基督, 何止三次?努力地蓋起「巴貝耳塔」, 滿以為高人一等. 感謝主, 讓我們遭受挫折, 記起自己的軟弱, 欠缺, 不足. 記起自己原來也是罪人......
在自責, 認罪, 痛悔, 補贖之後, 也許是時候拭乾眼淚, 謙遜地禱告, 與人與主修和, 因為只有上主能改變人心......
為分擔基督奧體的創痛. 我願意在五月裡每晚的禱告之中, 特別為教會和自己得著謙遜而祈求. 希望你能參與這個禱告行動, 也把這個邀請, 傳給所有你認識的基督徒, 和一切願意為人心的改變而出一分力的人.
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Cecil
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2002/5/6 上午 10:13:42
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主說:我不是來召義人,我來是召罪人,所以教會本來就是罪人的教會。主能寬恕咱們,咱們也該寬恕在教會內犯了錯的各人。
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Josemaria
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2002/5/6 上午 10:59:01
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化少信為真信，制度/誡律不是給人定的，而是人自己定的，人人自律才有好的教會。建制教會出了事，人人有責重整自己的信念，真的要多祈禱，求主寬恕我們各人的罪愆。
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Ignatius
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2002/5/6 上午 11:54:27
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雖然我是聖公會教友，但我也覺得基督教在這次不幸的事件上不能置身事外。
我認識一位主內兄弟，他認為天主教會已到了日暮西山的境地了。
有人也許會搖頭嘆息，有人或許會把這件事當作茶餘飯後的話題，有人也許會講幾句風涼話：天主教會都有今日咯！活該！抑或我們會選擇置身事外，認為這是天主教的事，我們是基督教的信徒，與我何干？又不是我教會有問題。
抑或我們可以有其他更好的選擇呢－為姊妹教會祈禱。
我經常自己：假如這件事在我們教會發生，我們是否仍然以冷淡態度面對呢？
我相信在基督教內，也有許多類似的醜聞，只不過沒有人把它張揚過罷了。
所以我同意我們應為教會祈禱：為姊妹教會祈禱，求主給予智慧給他們處理這件事，基督教的兄姊也應為此事祈禱，為基督教在此事上汲取教訓，警惕自己避免在這方面犯錯，若有犯錯，求主赦免。也求主賜力給教牧長上，讓他們有承認錯誤的勇氣，以及面對同樣問題的智慧。
我也願意加入五月每晚為教會及自己禱告的行列。
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Cecil
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2002/5/6 下午 05:28:15
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四周都是柴台聲 - 成群惡犬圍困我,四周歹徒逼迫著我,耶穌在受難時的苦況,我們可層深刻體驗過?
就當今次事件是個磨練：人們辱我唾我，我也不掩面。求主給我們力量。亞孟。
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Josemaria
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2002/5/8 下午 05:52:04
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I am all along not a sympathetic catholic for priesthood, eventhough I have been a catholic for almost half a century.
This incident, however, changed my view - those vast number of 'good' priests have to suffer with the entire Church, without sympathy from non-believers, and accusations from some of the faithful.
I wept - yes, I did. I was once in love with a nun and she left me for her vocation. But now I fully sense the vast amount of devotion the religious people have to had to follow a religious vocation.
God, please send them your mercy.
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艾慧詩
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2002/5/9 下午 10:12:43
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今次教會面對的困難不能與耶穌的苦難相比，耶穌是無辜而受迫害，但今次卻是我們教會中人犯錯，教會作為慈母，也要為子女的錯誤而謙遜認錯，求主垂憐，對社會中善心人的傷害尋求寬恕．上主求你垂憐，基督求你垂憐，上主求你垂憐．
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Cecil
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2002/5/10 上午 11:44:00
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Do not be judgmental - there are innocent cases out of those alleged ones.
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Josemaria
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2002/5/10 上午 11:56:41
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今次卻是我們教會中人犯錯 - we know, we know, of course we know!
How to face this - to condemn or to forgive?
To forgive means to condone?
Of course not!
Christ's passion covers all forms of human sins and misfortunes - culpable or otherwise.
No one in the Church is saying that paedophile acts are right!
We are assessing how far the damage goes - and everybody is carrying this cross alike.
It is vitally important to HEAL - HEAL everyone in the Church, not just those culprits.
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靚仔
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2002/5/10 下午 12:10:18
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I think Cecil and Josemaria miss the pt here.
First Cecil, as the Diocese said, one is too much, and there is at least three cases is found guilt in the church court.
Josemaria, every people seem to focus the question on the clergy, and how the diocese handle it. But how about the victims? If you read today kao kuo pao, you will see people is blaming the victim, why they bring the case forward, why they can't forgive.
We may want to protect the church image, but did we consider others feeling, especially the non believers.
We know and we believe we are a church that full of sinners. Since we experience the forgiveness of God, we have the power to forgive, however, to the general public, can we just said that every people will sin and did sin?
If we have sinned against our neirbour, we should ask for their forgiveness, and not to defense our sin.
Lord have Mercy.
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Augustine
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2002/5/10 下午 11:36:41
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1)Yes, zero tolerance is absolutely necessary here
Our diocese has the guts to take this stance, unlike the American Cardinals.
It is not just something about healing, that act is an act that leads others to apotasy--spititual murder!
The offenders must answer this
alone before
God, while we may forgive them, but we are not sure if God does.....who can tell?
I think the diocese should not easily give these offenders any absolution. Otherwise they may under-estimate the gravity of their sins.
They should be away from any public ministry
and do some years of hard penance, before even the Blessed Sarcament be given to them(if they had not been apostasy).
2)The victims are real sufferers how can we blame them? I think we should support them for their courage to uphold the Truth.
They alert our Church of the danger at the expense of their nightmares...very own nightmares!
In a sense they are martyrs who suffered for the fulfillment of the Church, but it is important that they understand this and don't lose faith...maybe hard,yes...let's do our best showing them.
3)The innocent fathers accused are out of the question here, if they are falsely accused let they trust God. Christ foretold His disciples may be falsely accused. Before the Seat Of Judgement everything WILL be disclosed...fear God alone, not men!
4)As for the media, maybe they are "幸災樂禍"...not out of goodwill, not trying to improve anything but to boast Newspapers sales.
But what can we say? Although the Church authority did nothing wrong in the case, the offenders are(were) clergymen! It is understandable people outside blame us for that.
As I said we need not explain too much to them, or defend anyone,
Anyway This is USELESS, they won't listen.
BUT we must accept their judgements(whether true or not) for our improvement for time being, just as the just Job went silent before his accusers---He waited for God to clarify everything because He Trust Him!
Result?? He deepens his Faith.
Can we wait as he did? Who can guess God's intentions? Maybe it is a time for us to deepen our relatioship with God, well that is our gain!
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Cecil
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2002/5/13 上午 10:42:09
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I have heard much questions about Ah Lim's motive and has reflected quite a bit on this. I agree with the observation here by one (sister?) that those with greivances (our little brothers) should be given their due attention.
It would seeem that Lim harboured quite a substantial amount of unforgiveness by what have happened between him and ex=priest before. A large amount may be attributed to the sexual abuse, but it may well be more than that. Suffice to say that the two did NOT have a good relationship, and no forgiveness and conciliation was being achieved at least on the part of Ah Lim. This is very regrettable, given that Christ Himself has given us the sacrament of penance. Had Ah Lim had a full conciliation with ex-priest, the matter might have been very different between them.
This leads to the related and important question - the relationship between the pastor and the flock. IF the flock or its member consistently bear grudges against the pastor, this would be very problematic. One rotten apple is enough to upset the pastor's work, via spreading of rumours, mumbling of grudges etc.
These have become widespread in parishes nowadays. The Diocese and priests should be alert to this phenonmen. At least, they should guard their speeches and behaviour when acting in opne capacity as priest - in masses, during homily, at catechism classes, at group gatherings.
The importance just could not be over emphasized.
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Josemaria
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2002/5/13 上午 11:07:02
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"Guard their speeches and behaviour" - What do you mean, Cecil?
妳不是說自我審查吧?
這樣很可怕。
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Cecil
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2002/5/13 上午 11:23:59
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可怕的 - 這是很困難的問題,但基本上,如果道理說得婉轉但有力,別人的接收其實更好,怎算得上自我審查?這只是修詞學和表達能力的鍛鍊而已,內容當然仍舊暢所欲言!教會要訓導,當然不能封神職的嘴巴。
舉例 - 在彌撒中用輕挑的說話表達道理好,還是用恢諧的語調好，用粗俗的言語好，抑或用嚴肅的教訓好，相信不言而喻的吧？
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